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 Post subject: Origin of jisai, jinai, tenais, čianais, etc.?
PostPosted: 2014 12 30, 21:17 

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Hello All

In colloquial speech, I hear the longer forms of jis, ji, ten, čia (and others) rendered jisai, jinai, tenais, and čianais, respectively. Does anyone have any information (perhaps in a good Lithuanian dictionary) on the etymology of these longer forms?

What's interesting to me is that the longer forms are actually not more formal but less so — whereas in most other languages, the longer forms tend to be more formal. Of course, most Lithuanian diminutives are informal, even though they are longer (in fact, the longer they are, the cuter and sillier they sound). So there is some pattern of treating longer forms as less formal in Lithuanian.

Any background information on these long forms would be much appreciated.


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 Post subject: Re: Origin of jisai, jinai, tenais, čianais, etc.?
PostPosted: 2015 01 01, 22:52 
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The longer forms of jis and ji (jisai, jinai) are actually made like pronominal adjectives: baltas - baltasis/baltasai (a less common form). Other forms of jis/ji in different cases: jojo (jo), jįjį (jį), jajai (jai), etc. I can't remember all the forms at the moment.

Ten, čia - tenai(s), čionai(s). As far as these forms go, I don't know their origin. It could be also pronominal, maybe used for the porpuse of emphasis.


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 Post subject: Re: Origin of jisai, jinai, tenais, čianais, etc.?
PostPosted: 2015 01 16, 17:08 

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Thanks for the response, Pigmalijonas!
Here are a few more words to add to the list:
Like tenais and čianais, there is tik>tiktais.
Other pronouns formed like jis>jisai include:
kitoksai
koksai
joksai
šitoksai
tasai
toksai
vienoksai
visoksai

However, the feminine form seems to be absent. E.g. toks>toksai, but tokia>???


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 Post subject: Re: Origin of jisai, jinai, tenais, čianais, etc.?
PostPosted: 2015 01 20, 23:10 
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No, you don't hear feminine forms other than "jinai".

čia -> čionai/čianai would suggest tokia -> tokionai, ši -> šionai, but I haven't seen forms like that in my life. Maybe if you looked at dialect or historical data you would find something.


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