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 Post subject: Determining the case when multiple verbs are used
PostPosted: 2008 03 07, 01:41 
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I'm having some difficulty determining which case to use when forming sentences with multiple verbs. For instance, if you wanted to say "You can't do that" it would be "To negalite daryti" right? Why is it to and not tą? It seems to me that negalėti is modifying daryti, and daryti in turn is modifying "tas", so following that logic, shouldn't it be "tą negalite daryti"? So how do you know which verb determines the case of tas?

What about "Aš noriu valygti..." would the object be in genitive or accusative? (disregarding indefinite quantity use of the genitive case)

Is there a name for these kind of grammatical "constructions/relationships"? I would like to look for answers for myself, but it seems like a rather abstract section of Lithuanian grammar.


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PostPosted: 2008 03 07, 08:55 
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The last verb governs the form the word gets

Aš noriu valgyti picą (valgyti ką)
I want to eat pizza

Aš noriu picos (norėti ko)
I want pizza

But if you have a negation it doesn't matter if the sentence only has one verb or two, the negation rule. It changes the accusative word to genitive form like...

Aš nenoriu valgyti picos (negation nenoriu ... ko)

This only changes direct objects though (acc -> gen)

So it wouldn't change...

Aš noriu tapti tėvu (tapti kuo (instrumentative))
I want to become a father

Aš nenoriu tapti tėvu (netapti kuo (instrumentative))
I don't want to become a father

The word tėvu doesn't change its form.

Please correct me if I'm wrong :oops:

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PostPosted: 2008 03 07, 09:48 
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Vaicaiti,

Have a look here again: http://www.debeselis.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=341

Tom, you are right :)

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"You can't do that" it would be "To negalite daryti" right?


Remember, that YOU means: tu (singular) and jūs (singular formal and plural).
You can't do that - tu negali to padaryti; jūs negalite to padaryti;
Now try to ask: ko tu negali padaryti? - what you cannot do?

I am repeating for "N" time, only sentece analysis would help to learn. :P
When you bring question, it is easier.

Aš noriu ko? - valgyti (I want to eat);
Aš noriu valgyti sriubą. - ką valgyti? answer: sriubą (I want to eat soup. What i want to eat? - answer- soup.

Kiek tau įpilti sriubos? - what amount of soup to pour you?

Read about complement. Because it answers to questions: ko? kam? ką? kuo?
Complement – secondary part of the sentence, that answers to the questions, that comes from the predicate ko?, kam?, ką?, kuo?.

Syable:

Substantive (Lesinome žąsis - lęsinome ką? answer: žąsis), sometimes together with preposition (Kalbėjome apie gyvenimą.- apie ką kalbėjome? - answer: apie gyvenimą);

Pronoun (Pamatėme jį kitapus gatvės. - ką pamatėme? answer:- jį);
Adjective (Visi lenkėmės įtakingiems. - kam lenkėmės? answer: - įtakingiems);

Participle (Vylėmės sulauksią grįžtant išėjusių. - vylėmės sulauksią grįžtant ko? answer: - išėjusių);

Verb (infinitive) (Nesistumdykit – visi gausite paragauti. Nesistumdykit - visi gausit ko? - answer: - paragauti);

Padalyviu (participle) (Ji girdėjo dainuojant. - ji girdėjo ką? - answer: dainuojant).

I wish a little bit clear now :) :?:


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Here is some interesting info on the subject also.

http://www.vlkk.lt/lit/1214

Thomas

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toto1919 wrote:
Here is some interesting info on the subject also.

http://www.vlkk.lt/lit/1214

Thomas


Oh, cool! I correct myself all the time when I use the accusative, now I know I won't have to. :D

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Don't forget you were correcting ME as well :x.


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 Post subject: Re: Determining the case when multiple verbs are used
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