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PostPosted: 2007 05 30, 22:30 
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I've had a look if this question has been asked before, but I have not found anything:

I did an exercise about personal pronouns and the solutions of some sentences were as follows:
Manęs rytoj nebus namie.
Jis nenori tavęs matyti.
Jos neateina į universitetą.

I understand that in the first and second one, the genitive is used because of the negation. But what about the third one? That's a negation as well, isn't it?

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PostPosted: 2007 05 30, 22:39 
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Wrong information, do NOT read

Yes, it's a negation too.
Jos neateina į universitetą.
It means: She doesn't come to university. Or she isn't coming to university, I'm not sure.
Why did you think it was not a negation?


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Oh. Tiesa. I see my mistake now. For some reason I was thinking "jos" was nominative... it can be nominative plural, can't it? But so it is genitive singular here...

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Nonononono, I'm sorry. What I said is wrong!
What has to be in genitive is the object of the verb, not the subject. Jos, there means They (femenine)
As in that sentencen there is no object the genitive doesn't apear.

Again, sorry I misslead you. :oops: :oops: :oops:


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Hmm well, but what's the difference in the first sentence then? Because that's obviously the subject which is expressed by the genitive pronoun 8)

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When you are negating a sentence with būti, if there's an attribute next to it you have to use then use nominative, if it's just existance, then genitive.
For example:
Jo nėra namie.
Jis nėra kaunietis.


That's why as the first sentence denotes exsistence, you use manęs. And well, the third, is just a normal negated verb.


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From lithuanian point of view, I always look what question the verb asks. For example

Ko nėra namie? Manęs, jo, uošvės and etc.
Kas neatėjo į universitetą? Jos, jie, studentai, dėstytojai.


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PostPosted: 2007 05 31, 11:36 
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ascii wrote:
When you are negating a sentence with būti, if there's an attribute next to it you have to use then use nominative, if it's just existance, then genitive.


I think this was the bit that was not explained in any of my books, thanks!

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I've read in Lrytas.lt
Maradona nera geras treineris.

in this case we use a copular verb: yra

I mean:
Gal namie esi?
Ne. Manes nera.
we decline that Maradona has the ability to be a trainer. So there are 3 solutions.
1.Maradonos nera geras treineris.
or the way round.
2.Maradona nera gero treinerio.
the 3rd possibility that we dont dont conjugate(?) Maradona's name and therefore it remains the same.

which is right?
any help?


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It's not that we don't decline the word "Maradona", the answer is that it doesn't have to be declined. Let me give you some other examples.

When we talk about existance or lack of it:
Petras yra namie.
Petro nėra.

Whe we talk about a quality or lack of it:
Petras yra studentas.
Petras nėra studentas.
Petras yra geras studentas.
Petras nėra geras studentas.

When we talk about Maradona being or not being a good trainer we talk about a quality, thus the correct form is:

Maradona yra geras treneris.
Maradona nėra geras treneris.

And as I've said before we can decline "Maradona":
Maradonos komanda pralaimėjo
Puolėjas pasuoja kamuolį Maradonui (=Maradonai)
Komanda pralaimėjo per Maradoną
etc.

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