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 Post subject: Tapti laiming(as/u)?
PostPosted: 2008 03 25, 10:01 
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Can someone please clarify the difference between these two nuances?

Noriu tapti laimingu
Noriu tapti laimingas

Are both accurate? Do they convey the same thought or are there differences?

I always use tapti + kuo, but have seen the other form being used. I have also read somewhere here in the forum that you can use būti + kas and būti + kuo and there is a slight difference (don't remember which and can't find that post again... :cry: )

Please help...

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PostPosted: 2008 03 25, 16:25 
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As far as I know tapti needs the instrumental.
Pigmalijonas wrote:
tapti (to become) requires the instrumental case.
Vaikas tampa vyru. Child becomes a man.
Vyras yra tampamas (This is impossible; very awkward; you wouldn't find this anywhere). The man is 'becomed'.
Vaikas yra tampantis. Child is the one who becomes.
Vyru tampantis vaikas stovi ten. A becoming (into man) child stands there.
Cited from this thread http://www.debeselis.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=174
And doing a google search for the word tampa, will give you only results were that case is used.

Regarding your other question the answer is in this thread http://www.debeselis.net/forum/viewtopi ... b%FBti+kuo

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PostPosted: 2008 03 25, 20:36 
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Doing a Google search on tapti laimingas I found the following...

Žmogus gali tapti laimingas

on several places.

Thanks for the link to the post on būti + kuo

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PostPosted: 2008 03 26, 00:36 
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You are right. It seems that if tapti is preceded at least by any of these three verbs (norėti, turėti, galėti) the noun is not in instrumental, instead it is in nominative. Maybe it is for every verb, I don't know.

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PostPosted: 2008 03 26, 08:45 
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Hi guys,

http://ualgiman.dtiltas.lt/linksniu_rei ... jimas.html all info is here:

Linksnių reikšmės ir vartojimas

Scroll to įnagininkas and u will find : <...>Įnagininkas papildiniu eina ir su nereikalaujančiais jo veiksmažodžiais (žiūrėti, kvepėti, atsikvėpti, šviesti, švytėti ir kt.):

Tos kaukolės žiūri akiduobėm tiesiai į Lietuvą. (Just. M.)

Kvepia durpynu ir žemės sūrumu. (M. Kt.)

Vėl aitriais gimtinės dūmais atsikvėpt širdis panoro. (V. M.-P.)

Su tapsmą reiškiančiais veiksmažodžiais (tapti, pasidaryti, virsti, likti, užaugti ir kt.) įnagininkas reiškia veikėjo būvį:

Maironis jam tapo milžinu, dievaičiu, idealu. (V. M.-P.)

<...>

From my experience and tutors comments - better not to trust that much google for picking right info.

If you google the same : tapti laimingas and tapti laimingu - you will find both.

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PostPosted: 2008 03 26, 16:47 
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Thanks.

I will stick to tapti + kuo and not Google around so much :lol:

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Yeah thomas, don't confuse us anymore with google :)

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Just as the use of būti + kuo/kas, the use of tapti is similar. However it is less likely to find tapti + kas, but when you do find it, you got to know it means the same thing, but the emphasize is on the sequence:

- aš noriu tapti laimingu (the becoming is emphasized)
- aš noriu tapti laimingas (the aftereffect of becoming - the happiness - is emphasized)


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Interesting...

Thank you for your answer

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I've learnt that if "tapti" is used with a noun, the noun is in the case of the subject of the verb. If it's an adjective, then it should be in instrumental.

Žmogus tapo laimingu
Vaikas tavo vyras.

Matau žmogų tampatnį laimingu
Matau vaiką tampantį vyrą

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asCii wrote:
I've learnt that if "tapti" is used with a noun, the noun is in the case of the subject of the verb. If it's an adjective, then it should be in instrumental.

Žmogus tapo laimingu
Vaikas tavo vyras.

Matau žmogų tampatnį laimingu
Matau vaiką tampantį vyrą

False. Nouns and adjectives used with tapti should be in the instrumental case, however adjectives may sometimes be matched with the subject:

vaikas tapo vyru
žmogus tapo laimingas
matau žmogų tampantį laimingu
matau vaiką tampantį vyru


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PostPosted: 2011 07 31, 19:16 
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Go tell that to my teachers at VU :?

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